Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

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  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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Comments • 3 861

  • Looper
    Looper   1 weeks back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • Originality Am
      Originality Am  2 hours back

      The part where he brushed his teeth is all a fantasy the rest is real.

    • Alexus Ruelaz
      Alexus Ruelaz  3 hours back

      Anything that made him happy was an illusion; a coping mechanism for his loneliness.

    • PMC05
      PMC05  10 hours back

      As much as the movie American Psycho w Christian Bale had 🔪

    • John Galt
      John Galt  2 days back

      for all intents for the purposes of the character, EVERYTHING happened, if only in his mind.

    • slimturnpike
      slimturnpike  2 days back

      None of it. He's in the asylum the whole time.

  • ja bo
    ja bo  2 hours back

    The Joker isn't a person, it's more of a supernatural/demonic identity as old as Gotham city itself. Whether it's through struggling comedian Arthur Fleck or ruthless gangster Jack Napier, "The Joker" will always be around to terrorize and play tricks on the city. That's my takeaway.

    • Stephen Sharma
      Stephen Sharma  2 hours back

      Whose the narrator of this video is she as hot as she sounds?

      • Connor McAnerney
        Connor McAnerney  3 hours back

        I read a theory that I personally believe is what the ending means


        The final scene in Arkham is set in the future, after Bruce became the Batman and captured Joker, that's why he doesn't have his dyed hair anymore. He was thinking back on the night of the riot when the Waynes were killed and puts two and two together that Bruce became the Batman. Thats why the psychiatrist wouldn't get what he's laughing at. He just got the ultimate punchline: he was the one to create the Batman.

        • kristin
          kristin  4 hours back

          this isn’t a movie about the comic book characters at all. This is a commentary on our social system and our treatment of mentally ill and low income people. It’s genius to use the joker theme as a format to bring these messages to the forefront to be discussed. That is what we are meant to discuss, not if Batman is coming or if his experiences were real or imagined.

          • Essmat Arafa
            Essmat Arafa  4 hours back

            Sure Nolan is better than you !

            • savin padencherry
              savin padencherry  5 hours back

              If this isn't the real joker then I'm pretty sure a lot of viewers would as disappointed in the movie as they were impressed by it.. I hope it doesn't turn out that way... Then the movie would turn out to have a lot of plotholes

              • Mosta Ali
                Mosta Ali  7 hours back

                no idea why is it necessary to link to a "Joker character" its all fiction anyway, but I don't like the idea that a story is only imagination in someone head we already know a movie story is mind born why make it double fake

                • Wulfarath
                  Wulfarath  8 hours back

                  I wouldn't take that as a certainty. Directors have always lied about what their next film would hold. So people wouldn't have certain expectations. It may be wishful thinking in the end. But that's the story I'm sticking with.

                  • big sarge
                    big sarge  8 hours back

                    So basically this video didn’t explain shit. Thanks

                    • gangrail
                      gangrail  9 hours back

                      Him saying no batman might be a mis direction, i would love the next film for batman to face hin and they present the trailer as a joker movie and not show batman in it

                      • PMC05
                        PMC05  10 hours back

                        3 words: Bales American Psycho

                        • Ge In
                          Ge In  11 hours back

                          Uh, it's fiction. Tommorow he can be written as a turnip who loves hello kitty parades. You're all morons.

                          • Elias Ortiz
                            Elias Ortiz  11 hours back

                            Nope, made to much money. They made it ambiguous at the end for story telling first off, and safe keeping just in case it made more money than they thought since it's R Rated .so sequel is most likely inevitable. Plus it's a fucking amazing movie I've seen in years no joke. WB can't turn down all this $$ lol they are doubling that budget next movie😂

                            • Elias Ortiz
                              Elias Ortiz  11 hours back

                              After he killed murrAy! was a genuine laugh I thought

                              • DH_Artist
                                DH_Artist  13 hours back

                                what I found funny, this may be just my sick mind, is that before walking in the hallway, he starts singing some of the lyrics to “That’s Life”, particularly “some people get their kicks, stomping on a dream” and we see his bloody footprints. So clearly he was stomping on her, probably stomping her brains out. Kinda a play on it, but again that’s probably just my twisted mind. I’d just like to think maybe that’s what the joke he was thinking about was. I sure as hell found it funny after watching it the second time 😂

                                • Amazing Facts Kannada
                                  Amazing Facts Kannada  13 hours back

                                  I like phoenix laughing

                                  • jonathan lopez
                                    jonathan lopez  14 hours back

                                    Arthur fletcher is joker but not the joker that villan is the one that kills tomas wane and drops in a quimical bath after ala nicolson leto but not ledger.

                                    • Public Safety.
                                      Public Safety.  17 hours back

                                      The joker was in handcuffs during the last scene? If it was just all his imagination why was he in cuffs? He have had to have done something bad in order to be cuffed up like that right?

                                      • Gaunter O' Dimm
                                        Gaunter O' Dimm  17 hours back

                                        I'm not a big fan of Arthur not being the actual Joker, it kind of takes away from the movie.

                                        • Ryan Petersen
                                          Ryan Petersen  17 hours back

                                          Before seeing the movie:
                                          "The Joker's not supposed to have a backstory"
                                          After seeing the movie:
                                          "What the fuck so was that his backstory or not? What a ripoff copout ending!"

                                          • Melissa Magan
                                            Melissa Magan  18 hours back

                                            But i wanna know NOW LOL

                                            • Miss Vishis
                                              Miss Vishis  18 hours back

                                              You wouldnt get it...

                                              • Dustin Fox
                                                Dustin Fox  19 hours back

                                                Pennys Bf created the most iconic villain in comic book history

                                                • Mostafa Abdelmawla
                                                  Mostafa Abdelmawla  19 hours back

                                                  The clocks are always 11:11 everywhere in the movie, except on the show with Murry it's 10:37, I'm not sure what that means!

                                                  • aUstin
                                                    aUstin  21 hours back

                                                    He should of said “it’s just a prank bro” at the end of the talk show scene

                                                    • L
                                                      L  22 hours back

                                                      I think if this was all imaginary then it would ruin the story because. I loved the movie because you can truly see and understand and feel for Arthur and why he became the Joker. If he Arthur isn't really the joker or this story is fake then the audience has just lost that relatability to the Joker

                                                      • Martin Macdonald
                                                        Martin Macdonald  22 hours back

                                                        Joker would have been better if that last scene was cut. The ending should have been Joker dancing on the hood of the police car. That hospital scene detracted from the film.

                                                        • Martin Macdonald
                                                          Martin Macdonald  22 hours back

                                                          Whatever. I hope we don't get a slew of 'director's cuts' and 'my interpretation' from various contributors to this masterpiece. Many people create a film. Sometimes many cooks do make a good broth.

                                                          • J2x
                                                            J2x  1 days back

                                                            So we would be getting another actor playing joker? When this man did an awesome job! Smh. That’ll be a L

                                                            • C
                                                              C  1 days back

                                                              I’ve got a theory that the Joker is actually Bruce Wayne’s heart / soul. Everything that the Joker does is actually an expression of Bruce Wayne’s changing feelings towards his Father. Bruce’s desire to bring joy and laughter to his Father (his whole world at that point/as a kid). When Joker came to visit his home. That was Bruce’s attempt to bring joy and laughter into the family home. But his Father didn’t allow joy and laughter or joking in his home. A child is meant to bring their parents joy. Joke around with them together. But when joker (Bruce’s Heart) confronts Thomas in the bathroom, Thomas rejects ‘Bruce’s (up until then) hidden desire to connect with him on that level permanently. From that point on, Bruce became his Fathers enemy in his heart (‘you don’t want to Joke with me? I’ll make you joke with me!?!’) .. and he believed in his heart he wanted to kill his Father / parents. Tear down everything his father valued above himself.
                                                              But that last scene was where Joker (taking the viewpoint that he is Bruce’s heart) has a sense of relief that the people who prevented him from laughing / joking were no longer able to do so.. dead. but he would never be able to joke freely again. As he is trapped in shame (the asylum)
                                                              This is why Batman is ‘so serious’.
                                                              He once wanted to bring joy and laughter to the world (his fathers world), but now that childhood dream is gone. An impossibility.
                                                              The ironic laugh in the end in the white room was that he realized that he didn’t truly want to kill his father but kill himself. And failed to accomplish this. He instead only managed to kill his own innocent + pure dream of making his Father laugh. Connect with him on a deeper emotional / personal level. Not just be a symbol of his social status / an appendage.
                                                              So the battle between Batman and Joker from here on in in the story universe is that Joker is Batman’s suicidal ideation. His desire to kill himself. End his own life that he must battle with daily.

                                                              • Thomas Pålsson
                                                                Thomas Pålsson  1 days back

                                                                A story that's essantially entirely open for interpretation is not a story at all. It's just verbal fragments bereft of any real value.

                                                                Hack writing.

                                                                • Calvin Tai
                                                                  Calvin Tai  1 days back

                                                                  When he said those words on Murray's talk show, I got mad chills. It's so true.

                                                                  • Mr.VelociDeltaDerp
                                                                    Mr.VelociDeltaDerp  1 days back

                                                                    Damn, I really want this movie's Joker to be the actual Joker that faces off with Batman! I don't care how, I just wanna! This Joker has so much potential, from what I'm getting from the movie, so if he doesn't live up to it at the end, if the Joker that faces off with Batman is just some 'fanboy' of this Joker, then I'm done, man!

                                                                    • Cata Tonic
                                                                      Cata Tonic  1 days back

                                                                      This movie is defined by one simple point - Psychopathy is no joke.





                                                                      Art? Depth? Layers?... nah!
                                                                      Garbage?... yes!

                                                                      • Cata Tonic
                                                                        Cata Tonic  1 days back

                                                                        So basically this wasnt a story, it was art. Lmao i'd hang myself if i couldnt tell a decent story while having a college education. Its like having an art degree and making stick figure murals.

                                                                        • nycmanowar
                                                                          nycmanowar  1 days back

                                                                          If they did want to do it ..an older Joker and younger Batman could work..like Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. Instead of, No Luke..I am your father..it could be, Brucie, I'm your brother. (He may or may not be..but..it's a good plot twist). Could be a reason why Joker doesn't really want to kill Batman..but then, Joker would have to know Batman is Bruce Wayne at some point

                                                                          • Darren Frey
                                                                            Darren Frey  1 days back

                                                                            Has anyone ever seen the fan film called Joker Rising that came out about 5 or 6 years ago? Being a fan film, obviously it isn't over the top on a budget or actors or anything like that, but for what it is, I loved it and while there is a glimpse of Batman, the story is entirely about how the Joker becomes the Joker. I love that they are focusing on him considering he is just as popular as Batman is.

                                                                            • Preston  Sturgis
                                                                              Preston Sturgis  1 days back

                                                                              Only Dceu would be stupid enough to not build off of they're only critical and box office success since the Dark Knight rises. Yeah Wonder woman was good but I think it's worth it to kill it off if it means we can get a new batman

                                                                              • DVD Video
                                                                                DVD Video  1 days back

                                                                                In my opinion joker is good and the world is evil

                                                                                • H.A.K
                                                                                  H.A.K  1 days back

                                                                                  The psychiatrist looked awfully calm when talking to Arthur. It must be all in his head. xD

                                                                                  • Cesare
                                                                                    Cesare  1 days back

                                                                                    The truth is: we dont really care, we dont want to hear that it was just in his head or that it was real, the most important thing is the message " we are all clowns". Ahahahahahahahaha

                                                                                    • M3nta
                                                                                      M3nta  1 days back

                                                                                      no.
                                                                                      i want Joaquin to be the joker.
                                                                                      omfg if it will be someone else im gonna crack.
                                                                                      please oh please he was so good dont ruin it for me.

                                                                                      • Phantom1999
                                                                                        Phantom1999  1 days back

                                                                                        I want this joker to uo against batman.. this is the most fucked up down to earth joker ever.. love Phoenix

                                                                                        • John Platte
                                                                                          John Platte  1 days back

                                                                                          ...Why so serious?

                                                                                          • Milan
                                                                                            Milan  1 days back

                                                                                            I think it was real because Wayne is murdered here and that thing happened in lets say all Batman movies. I'v just cant accept that its not real because a lot of things happened.

                                                                                            • RXI 6375
                                                                                              RXI 6375  1 days back

                                                                                              Most of DC comic villains are more human. Marvels is just bullshit aliens from nowhere.

                                                                                              • Duende Official
                                                                                                Duende Official  1 days back

                                                                                                If they make a sequel they should add Batman but in a similar way the played with Joker. Maybe he would be a figment of Joker's imagination, or another personality of the Joker or something like that. I really liked the psychological way they depicted Joker and not just a villain in a comic book. This is much deeper, more exciting and interesting because you feel it might just be real.